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Do You Still Believe There Are No 'death Panels" Obamacare?

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Do You Still Believe There Are No 'death Panels" Obamacare?

Postby Struan » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:55 pm

It?s looking more and more like Robert ?we?re going to let you die? Reich was right

posted at 8:53 pm on April 5, 2012 by Morgen Richmond

In the summer of 2009, at the peak of the legislative debate over ObamaCare, a video clip we produced at my old blog went viral of former Labor Secretary Robert Reich speaking at UC Berkeley. Reich was giving a made-up campaign speech demonstrating what a candidate for president would say if they were being fully honest with the American people. It?s an oldie but a goodie, especially in light of recent events. Watch:

Reich would subsequently claim his comments were taken ?out of context? (don?t they always), but the campaign ?truths? he revealed are looking more and more accurate. Take Reich?s first assertion, that re-organizing the health care system to improve care for everyone would require the young and healthy to pay more. This reality of course is at the very center of the Supreme Court debate over the individual mandate, with several of the Justices, including Elena Kagan, noting that the mandate will force young people who would otherwise elect to not buy insurance to subsidize the healthcare costs of others. The fate of the mandate is yet to be decided ? but Reich was right.

Reich?s next statement was that healthcare reform would require the rationing of drugs and advanced medical technologies for the elderly in the last years of their lives in order to cut costs. Leading to his now infamous conclusion that ?we?re going to let you die?.

Just this week reports came out of an initiative from the American Board of Internal Medicine Foundation (ABIM) recommending that doctors reduce or eliminate their use of 45 common medical treatments the Board deemed ?unnecessary?.


Frivolous things such as stress testing for cardiac disease, the use of imaging in cancer diagnosis, and even the prescription of antibiotics in some cases.

And it?s surely a coincidence that the Chairman of the Board of the ABIM is also the Chair of the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission, the board charged with making annual recommendations to Congress for reducing Medicare costs. Reich seems to have been on the right track about this too, although fortunately I don?t think they are ready to let us die just yet. That will come down the road if Obama?s new Independent Payment Advisory Board retains the power granted to it by ObamaCare.

The jury is still out on his last point about healthcare reform ultimately resulting in reduced innovation, and fewer advancements in medical technology. But given his accuracy in predicting the first two points, does anyone want to bet against this? This is just common sense, after all, that a reduction in spending and rationing of medical treatments by the government will result in less risk-taking and investment by the private sector. And of course ObamaCare taxes medical device and drug companies directly, reducing the funds available for R&D as well as the incentive for venture capitalists to fund start-ups in these industries.

Robert Reich obviously knew what he was talking about. I wonder what other uncomfortable truths about liberal policy he hasn?t shared with us? And it?s too bad the President we have wasn?t as honest as Reich was about the ultimate outcome of his healthcare legislation. http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/05/it...
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Postby Amerawdwr » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:10 am

The only real death panels are the policies that would to cut so many of the safety nets that the poor stay alive on.

A good example is the cry to end food stamps while every night 14 million children in our country go to bed and wake up hungry. Then they go to school where they get a cheap breakfast that is also under attack to be removed from them.


Those policies are truly death panels.
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Postby Elrick » Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:47 am

The "death panels" are the Insurance companies that deny coverage based on pre-existing conditions.


You just have to die based on their judgement of issuing/canceling policies.
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Postby berg » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:32 pm

You conspiracy nuts bore the hell out of me.
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Postby Mazablaska » Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:06 am

There are plenty of things wrong with Obamacare..........why can't you just criticize the parts of it that actually exist?
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Postby Sal » Tue Sep 26, 2017 4:37 pm

it is time for the vast left wing cabal to admit they were wrong and apologize!!!
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Postby Avrum » Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:09 pm

Krugman would not say that interior the link you offered. He says that it rather is contradictory that fighters say that there are going to be "dying panels" and that scientific wellbeing coverage reform won't shop any money. in the event that they existed, they could shop money, does no longer they? interior the 2nd area of his fact, Krugman mentions advisory panels which makes judgments on remedies that artwork vs. ones that don't. it rather isn't a "dying panel", it rather is asserting that some costly remedies do no longer artwork and should no longer be paid for. Steve McQueen spent a great volume of money pursuing laetrile remedies, and that they did no longer do something for him. As a financial conservative, i does no longer go with my coverage rates raised using fact of costly, ineffective remedies could you?
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Postby Evyn » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:06 am

It depends on what you mean. Yes, death panels exist with insurance companies. The usual protection against them is the consumer's choice of plans in which to place their money, thus hopefully prodding the companies to provide levels of coverage which would NOT make people believe that they are being placed on death panels.

When the government makes such decisions, no challenge to the decision exists. No competition is allowed, so what you get is what you get. Personally, I would rather at least have a choice, or even a remote possibility of a choice.

In reality though, both private and public insurance will cut your care off at a certain point. The question is whether or not you want the ability to shop for something better if you need it.
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Postby Deman » Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:24 pm

I agree with flswamp.
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Postby Gerardo » Thu Oct 05, 2017 12:01 am

Yet you cite no part of the Affordable Health Care Act.

Looks like Reich is speaking opinion. Opinions are like body orifices. Rush Limbaughgh speaks from more than one every weekday.
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