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Why isn't health care a "right" and Why don't more christians support universal health as Jesus would?

  

Why isn't health care a "right" and Why don't more christians support universal health as Jesus would?

Postby channon60 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:56 pm

same story. up a few times now.
Hey!!! How dare you teach the "conservatives" about the true meaning of Jesus!!!!!
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Postby adiel » Wed Apr 25, 2012 7:58 pm

The Bible also says about helping people who help themselves, I can't do for someone what they are not willing to do for themselves. We are supposed to be generous, I have no problem helping someone in a tough time, but making a career off of living off of someone else's money?
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Postby dougal49 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:00 pm

it is not a right because it is not in the Constitution and I do not support it because what Obama is asking us to do is give the Federal Government power the Founding Fathers never granted to the Federal Government without going through the Amendment process as outlined in article 5 of the US Constitution.

Truly you do not think it is a good idea to set a precedent where the Federal Government gives themselves power they are not supposed to have. That is how Republics and democracies eventually die
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Postby ludwik » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:18 pm

You do have a "right" to health care. Pay for your own . But of course if you like you can become a "social vampire" and feed off the fruits of others labor. You do realize that a government run health system is not going to be free dont you? And who is going to pay for it? You or me?
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Postby omet65 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:20 pm

If they had Universal Health Care in Bethlehem he wouldn't have had to be born in that drafty stable.

Sadly King Herod Antipas was a Republican, hence he wanted to kill all the little babies. Still his first wife Doris (seriously) was said to be a smashing lady.

http://www.jjraymond.com/religion/doriswifeofherod.html
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Postby teregud » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:25 pm

Because he did not support the methods you are advocating.

Can you show the passage from the Bible where Jesus advocated forcibly taking money from people to pay for anything he promoted?

You know you can't because it isn't there.

Jesus instead promoted giving of your own FREE WILL to help the poor. Which is why Conservatives are bigger givers than Liberals.
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Postby eduard » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:29 pm

You're absolutely right. It is un-Christian to expect anyone to be responsible for their own needs. It was Jesus who said, "Sit ye back and let the government fulfill thy needs! Let there be one segment of society who works by the sweat of his brow and let there be another who reaps the benefits yet pays nothing back to society!" I agree, Jesus didn't come for spiritual benefits of society; he came to preach free healthcare.

It is absurd that years ago someone opened an insurance company thinking that he should be able to make a profit at it. The villain! And those doctors? How dare they make so much money to pay off their medical bills and make it worth their while to study medicine! Vile profession!
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Postby joby » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:35 pm

People will wait for months for appointments. Soon they will give up trying to make appointments or clog the ER trying to be seen. Eventually, when they give up on it all, they will either become seriously ill or die. More people will die if this is passed. You really don't know what you are supporting. No one is turned away by health care facilities now, but with this plan, you will be triaged by your illness. You may not even get treated, if it is decided that you aren't worth treating. They will bump you and treat the most viable person.
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Postby jerrah23 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:43 pm

As an avid bible reader I can assure Jesus didn't teach the government running your life, nor them being responsible for your well being. There's not a person alive who can't walk into an ER in this country and get health care right now. No where can you show me in the bible where Jesus advocated forcibly taking money from people to do his bidding. Your question assumes government run health care is our only option, and that's quite an ignorant assumption to make. You have a right to health care, but you don't have a right to go into my wallet to pay for it. God bless.
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Postby jaye74 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:50 pm

As an avid bible reader I can assure Jesus didn't teach the government running your life, nor them being responsible for your well being. There's not a person alive who can't walk into an ER in this country and get health care right now. No where can you show me in the bible where Jesus advocated forcibly taking money from people to do his bidding. Your question assumes government run health care is our only option, and that's quite an ignorant assumption to make. You have a right to health care, but you don't have a right to go into my wallet to pay for it. God bless.
We all want universal coverage, but we need better than adequate care for all but good care for none. If our government run Medicare, and that's paid into, and Medicaid are going broke, how can we do it for all without rationing? And the ridiculous premise of taking money from Medicare and Medicaid to fund the public option would make Spocks brain explode. Does that mean the elderly and disabled would give up care for the more important tax-paying workers? Have you heard that Exekiel Emanuel's plan favors those between 15 and 40? He's Rahm's brother and a the chief advisor the the president. You must be careful. Anyone with a trace of humanity would favor children, but not this man. Think of being a young mother in a situation of shortage and you could get medicine while you watch your children die? Could life be crueler? If you don't believe me, research Ezekiels Emanuels Complete Lives theory, or it's called something like that. I think you will be horrified. And Jesus said that prayer would heal us, didn't he? And Christians are famous for their charity with the sick and the poor. We have Medicaid for the sick and the poor, so I wonder why so many think the sick are thrown into the streets as hospitals are bound by law to treat everyone. Look how much money hospitals spend in emergency rooms treating drunks, druggies and gun-shot victims, who ofter turn up the next month for the same thing, all for free. Think about it, you have left out the most salient facts.
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