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Is It The Responsibility Of Society To Pay For And Protect People From Their Own Choices?

Postby Emanuel » Sat Sep 30, 2017 8:21 am

Once upon a time there was an unemployed fat diabetic with a low IQ and extensive arrest record. He did not want to go to school and could not be bothered with a job. But he had a hidden talent. He was very good at drinking beer. So he found an equally stupid girl and impregnated her - twice. Now they have two kids with medical and learning problems.

As a result of these decisions - Mr. Fat unemployed diabetic, his wife and kids, receive free housing, utilities, food, furniture, clothes (church charity) food stamps and medical care. Mr. Fat and his wife have "tried" to get a job but cannot. Instead they decided to have another kid. Why not? It's their right to bring unsuspecting babies into poverty. In turn they were rewarded by a welfare increase.

Recently, Mr. Fat got something called "neural neuropathy" (sp) which evidently is something common to diabetics. Mr. Fat was warned and advised over many years to lose weight and stop drinking by the county doctors. Instead he did not listen and lost his toe. Which of course, is someone else's fault for not being able to "fix" his toe. Then Mr. Fat caught a disease at the hospital. Again, the hospitals fault. Mr. Fat was then readmitted to the Hospital for not taking his Antibiotics. So the Hospital hired a nurse to visit Mr. Fat's section 8 townhouse to watch him 24 HOURS A DAY EVERYDAY FOR SIX MONTHS - all at the taxpayers expense. Mr. Fat's kids also require special medical care. This is also 100% paid for by the state.

This is one of millions of cases. Why are my tax dollars going to support this?
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Is It The Responsibility Of Society To Pay For And Protect People From Their Own Choices?

Postby Orford » Sat Sep 30, 2017 9:43 am

The association between life style, life chances and child rearing is much more complicated than this.
The experiences of impoverished people are not clearly represented here.

As you are clearly interested in social policy and in political economic policy have look at some of the excellent articles on the google scholar search engine on both of these areas of social research http://www.apa.org/pi/families/poverty.a...

for a start
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Is It The Responsibility Of Society To Pay For And Protect People From Their Own Choices?

Postby Tyrell » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:56 am

Because people are too selfish or too dumb to admit their life situation is caused by their own stupid choices.
And there are too many other people who are in the same boat so, they have no problem with taxes supporting people who make bad choices.

I am responsible for my choices.
If my house is not clean at the end of the day because I chose to eat ice cream and sit on the couch for hours, it is not the governments job to hire someone to come clean my house.
I am not a victim.
I am a screw up.
If I do this for years and then get ill with diabetes and obesity, the government will then take care of me and they will have to clean up my mess.
Isn't that nice?
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Is It The Responsibility Of Society To Pay For And Protect People From Their Own Choices?

Postby Baddon » Mon Oct 09, 2017 3:49 pm

As to your question, the answer is "yes, in such cases as you describe," society holds itself responsible and in some cases, "no."

In some cases the obese diabetic has a government job with insurance to cover all the expenses caused directly or indirectly by diabetes, a wife and two or more diabetic children, which is really paid for by fellow employees and employers, which is really paid for by the rest of the working class without unions and without insurance - what's the difference?

The difference is that those with Blue-Cross and Blue-Shield "pay" top dollar to emergency rooms, doctors, anesthesiologists, specialists and hospitals and those on welfare pay bottom dollar throughout their lifetimes - either way, the taxpayer pays it all, the taxpayer that's not getting his wages from a federal, state, or local government, college or public school, fire or ambulance department, police department, department of transportation, public health, library, mental health or any other business or agency that gets grants and loans from the government that is. It all comes from the private sector. The people that actually produce something, people that labour.

Where should "society" draw the line in health cases?

With low IQ?

With the obese?

With the elderly?

With smokers?

With anorexics?

Stress related illness from working too hard - workaholics?

Soldiers hit with friendly fire?

With Alcoholics and their spouse and children?

With the dehydrated? Sunstroke?

Athlete's injuries?

Car accidents?

One of my pet peeves is taxpayers continually cleaning up and rebuilding homes and refurbishing coastal areas hit with annual hurricanes - not to mention bearing the rescue, eating, waste, water, shelter, medical and transportation costs of residents refusing to evacuate and those displaced...
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