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Does Gay Marriage Contribute To The Slowdown Of Reproduction In Western Society?

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Does Gay Marriage Contribute To The Slowdown Of Reproduction In Western Society?

Postby ewart » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:38 am

In all European Nations, the average reproduction rate is only around 1 child per family.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/9...
In America, the average reproduction rate is around 1.5-2.1 children per family. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nati...
if we don't have enough workers to replace current workers, we will have less workers in the economy to contribute to the GDP.
A slow down in reproduction leads to a higher life expediency, which means we will have to raise the retirement, insurance, medicare, etc age requirement.

It also means the ethnic or national citizen babies born in the country decreases every year, thus nations have to increase immigration to replace the people.
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Postby Waverly » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:44 pm

Gay people are not sterile. Allow them to marry and that will encourage them to raise children.
Those children will have to come from somewhere.
Some will adopt existing children or one of the couple will create one with someone else.
That would mildy increase the birth rate.
In any case, the birth rate is not going to be greatly affected by gay people regardless of the legality of gay marriage.
I mean if the birth rate is low... what is 2-5% of the population going to do?
In Japan where gay rights don't even exist, they already fail to replace themselves and will soon cease to exist.

In ancient China, the population would reduce by as much as 90% during long civil wars.
Some periods of China were relatively tolerant of gay people eg. the Han Dynasty and the succeeding Jin Dynasty.
The decades long civil war decimated the population.
It still bounced back and today it needs a one child policy to stop it increasing.
In Hong Kong, an autonomous city in China which has developed separately and become a very modern city, birth rates have fallen just like Japan.
Gay marriage has little effect.
It is straight people and the factors which reduce child birth in advanced nations who are ultimately responsible.
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Postby Arwystli » Sat Feb 08, 2014 10:59 am

Can't blame gays for everything in theory its extra girls to go around. ..should be population increase...
I think cost of living, fear about economy and future.
Sensible forward planning waiting for a good time.
In my life we did that waited to buy a house, waited to save a few quid, buy a nice car, get a better job, arrange stability.

I am sure this is common...I remember a comedy I think called idiocracy very much the theme in the future.
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Postby Ranier » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:31 am

I would say that the more a society bases itself upon humans feeling--instead of humans behaving? Then it's birth rate will decline. As the people come to be more concerned with their own day to day pleasures. Instead of building for tomorrow.
A socialist nation IS based on human feelings. Therefore it will have to import people to maintain any level of socialist systems and government. A self defeating systemic failure starts when that begins. Because the new arrivals will want the benefits at once. Without placing any effort into it.
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Postby Lanston » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:22 am

Maybe, and as soon as you persuade me there is a population shortage, I will start to worry.
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Postby Mannuss » Sat Mar 01, 2014 8:34 am

"Slowdown of reproduction"
You make it sound as if the human race is at risk of extinction or something.
Little reminder pal, only a couple of years ago we reached 7 billion people across the whole world. The current problems we are facing are not a lack of people to do work. Our problems today are an unemployment rate unlike any we've seen since the Great Depression, climate change, resource depletion and overpopulation. Not to mention the exacerbation of global problems were the worst case scenario of predicted climate change effects to be realized, with global flooding in parts of the world and extended droughts in others.
So to bring this all back to your question, does gay marriage contribute to the slowdown of reproduction in Western society? That's idiotic. Homosexuals have been around for centuries, the decline in reproduction has only been in the last 30-40 years, and is most likely due to a lack of jobs and hopeful prospects for most people in Western society, particularly North America. Children are expensive. In the 50's, you had one parent who worked and one who stayed at home, and you could easily raise a family of 5 on the income that provided. Today, it's estimated that raising a child and putting it through university is literally a million dollar investment. A lot of people in the current times aren't inclined to spend 5 million dollars over the next 25 years of their lives; most would put a bullet through their brain when the debts started racking up.
So as I said, it is not a lack of people to work that we are currently facing, it is a lack of JOBS!! Millions of homeless people in this world would love to work. We can't pretend any longer that the homeless are just social parasites who got their of their own doing. Too many honest, hard-working people in America have been forced from their homes for us to believe that these millions of people who previously had homes and jobs, and were forced out on the street after their homes were repossessed, are all isolated, unrelated incidents.
"A slowdown in production leads to a higher life expectancy" I don't get it, are you making the argument that not having kids actually IMPROVES your health, while at the same time suggesting that not having kids is detrimental to society? Am I reading this right?
"nations have to increase immigration to replace the people" ...okaayy, and how exactly are they going to do that? Will they start doing monthly drawings, pulling names from a hat and forcing the people drawn to immigrate to a random country of the government's selection?
I apologize friend, it pains me be the one to break it to you, because I can tell by the way you write that you take a certain amount of pride in being perceptive and knowledgeable about world issues . . . but the truth is, you really aren't.
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Postby Gryphon » Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:15 am

And you complain about hispanic immigrants coming here?
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Postby osrid » Sat Apr 05, 2014 1:44 pm

People in Europe don't have kids because the excessive taxation makes it too difficult financially. People in the US, many of which are religious and don't believe in contraception for whatever reason, have kids for the opposite reasons. Gays, in a society with bans on Gay marriage, would not get married to women anyway, much less have sex with one, so allowing them to get married isn't changing anything. In fact, it is beneficial to future generations because it will mean more foster children will get adopted into families who want them.
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